February 27, 2006

  • Harold Camping and The End of the Church Age

    There is a lot to be said for Harold Camping. As founder of
    Family Radio he has helped spread the gospel throughout the world. And not any
    watered down “God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life,” gospel,
    but a true to the Bible, judgment and sin preaching gospel. He has also
    correctly criticized the church for its failure to proclaim the full counsel of
    God and for its worldly and emotional focus. On the radio he has not only
    preached, but publicly taken questions from listeners, which is more than any
    pastor I ever saw. He has taken a strong stance against divorce and birth
    control, both of which the modern church tends to be soft on. But everyone has
    his faults, and Harold Camping’s warrant public discussion.

    Back in the late 80’s or early 90’s Harold Camping predicted
    that the Lord would return in 1994. He, and his followers, believed very
    strongly that the calendar he had derived from the Bible indicated that the
    year 1994 was exactly 2000 years from Christ’s birth and a hugely significant date.
    When his prediction proved false, Mr. Camping did not relinquish his
    convictions about the importance of the year. Sure that it must have signaled
    some momentous event in church history, he eventually announced that 1994 had
    been the date of the beginning of the “latter rain.”

    In his book “The End of the Church Age, and After” Mr.
    Camping sets forth his argument that the church age is over, the church as an
    institution is now defunct and that all Christians are obliged to abandon their
    local congregations. Satan, he says, now controls them all, despite the fact
    that they may seem faithful externally. Though outside the churches innumerable
    people will be saved, none will be saved within them.

    As in his previous writings, Mr. Camping sets forth a great deal
    of truth and sound Bible teaching with his dramatic prophecies. However,
    looking closely at them I find that he makes a lot of assumptions and
    presumptions in order to make things fit his theories. A good example of this
    is his development of Joel 2:23, which is a bedrock verse for his theology.

    “Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the Lord
    your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause
    to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the
    first month.”

     

    From this verse Mr. Camping builds his case for the church
    age ending and for our being in the time of the “latter rain.” The rains
    pictured in this verse symbolize three times in history. The first rain
    symbolizes the Old Testament period, the “former rain” symbolizes the New
    Testament age and the “latter rain” is the time in which we now live, when the
    church age has ended. These are also times of a great harvest of souls, which
    Mr. Camping ties to three feasts of ingathering. Interspersed between these
    seasons of rain/harvest are three seasons of “famine of hearing the Word of
    God” in which few people are saved.

    One verse is a rather shaky foundation for an entire
    theology, but though the former and latter rains are elsewhere mentioned in the
    Bible, I did not find any other place where three rains are mentioned.
    Similarly, in order to make three harvest feasts where the Hebrew calendar has
    only two, Mr. Camping has to use a one-time first fruits offering, which was
    made when the Israelites first entered the land. In a Bible that is filled with
    symbolism, surely there ought to be more instances that would illustrate such
    an important point, but Mr. Camping produces none.

    Since this picture of three rains is not repeated elsewhere
    in the Bible, we might want to examine whether or not Mr. Camping’s
    interpretation of three rains in Joel 2:23 is really accurate. Perhaps instead
    of reading: “the (first) rain, the (second) former rain, and the (third) latter
    rain…” we should read: “the rain (which comes in two seasons,) the former rain,
    and the latter rain…” At least, that is how the translators must have read it,
    since the adjectives “former” and “latter” inherently imply duality in the
    English language. The Hebrew words for “former rain” and “latter rain” do not
    include the adjectives “former” and “latter,” but seem to refer to two separate
    seasons of rain. Furthermore, from what I can find on the Internet, there are
    indeed two rainy seasons in Israel, not three. These evidences make it most apparent
    that Mr. Camping is reading three rains where the Holy Spirit only spoke of
    two.

    Finally, Mr. Camping creates a very mixed metaphor with this
    interpretation of the verse. Seasons of rain do not coincide with seasons of
    harvest, followed by seasons of famine. Seasons of rain are followed by seasons
    of harvest. Famines are caused, not by the mere absence of rain, but the
    absence of rain in its season. The Bible is a very correct book when it comes
    to scientific principles and it seems highly unlikely that the Lord would
    create such an inaccurate picture in order to illustrate an important point.

    This is just a brief critique of one of the most important
    points Mr. Camping lays out in his book, but I think it serves as an example of
    why his conclusions about the end of the church age cannot be valid and why his
    call to abandon the church or perish need not be heeded. He has always,
    throughout this book as well as his previous works, shown a tendency to make
    Scripture fit with his own preconceived ideas. Whether or not the church age
    will end, whether or not we are very near the end of time, it is evident that
    the Lord is not granting Harold Camping any special understanding of
    eschatology.

    Finally, I think this verse, Deuteronomy 18:22, applies to
    him: “When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not,
    nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the
    prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”

    There is no need to be afraid of Harold Camping or his
    predictions.

Comments (17)

  • What about none of us knowing the hour or day of the Lord’s return? I think Mr. Camping has forgotten that one.

  • Hi Danielle,
    Did you know that he is now saying that the Lord will return in the year 2011?
    Blessings,
    Lori (I got your blog from your sister in law, Maria)

  • Hope you had a great day! Have a nice evening.

  • Hi again, Danielle. I get the quotes from this website. http://dailychristianquote.com/ Have a blessed night.

  • Listening to open forum is not the joy or the learning experience it used to be. Mr. Camping seems to go on an on about the end of the church age and the second coming. Too bad, he used to be such a great defender of the reformed faith.

  • Good critique. I’m not too familiar with H. Camping but your conclusions sound good to me.
    BTW ~ I’m always touched by your comments — you have such a way with words!
    Have a blessed day

  • I’ve heard Harold Camping say verses with the thief in the night phrase such as

    First Thessalonians 5:2
    For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

    and

    Second Peter 3:10
    But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    are refering to the unsaved being taken by surprise. In other words, we can be aware of the time of HIs coming if he has saved us from damnation but the unsaved will not only be unaware but won’t care:

    Luke 17:26-27
    And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

    There are other verses mentioning our Lord coming as a thief in the night. This one

    1 Thessalonians 5:4
    But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

    Seems to back the assertion that unbelievers arn’t going to be caught unaware. We know His coming is immanent and to keep a watch on the sky.

    Comparing scripture with sripture, as he often says, is very important. Especially with statements that have been made into cliches by society. I’ve heard Harold Camping use the following verse to explain his reasoning why the date of Jesus return is discernable in scripture and not just prediction or prophecy:

    Luke 12:39
    And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched , and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

    The goodman (head) of the house should protect his family and the people that are part of his household (other’s saved from salvation) by being as prepared as possible for the Lord’s coming. Preparing for the final coming by shouting from the rofftops the wonderful gospel of salvation is part of that preparedness because it is what we are commanded to do.

    Chapter five, that wonderful, concise, powerful chapter of 1 Thessalonians, speaks to this in the first 8 verses.

    I don’t know how important it is to know the exact date and year of His return but I do know that no matter if its 1 or a 1000 years from now (which seems unlikely in the midst of a society that is demonstrably worse than Sodom, Gomorrah or any time in history), as in Noahs day when they were still biulding and marrying and making merry we need to sound the horn. Now or later, our duty as children of the King is clearly stated over and over in the word:

    1 Corinthians 9:16
    For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

  • I don’t really take issue with the idea that Christians will know with some certainty that the end of the world is near. I certainly support Mr. Camping’s reading of those and many other verses. As I said, I believe much of what he teaches much is sound, but he has certain preconcieved ideas which he forces everything else to conform to.

    Though the church and the world are in a very wicked state, I am not sure that it is necessarily a sign that we are in the final days. There were many times in the history of Judah that the kingdom was very unfaithful and yet the end did not come. The worst days were not right before the end, but under kings like Ahaz and Manasseh. It was not God’s time then to destroy Israel, and it does not seem to me that it is God’s time to destroy the church. In fact, the Bible indicates that the church will be completely destroyed and the world will rejoice. As lame as the churches are today, they are still here.

    It is utterly hyperbolical to say that we are “in the midst of a society that is demonstrably worse than Sodom and Gomorrah,” as we have only a vague idea of how sinful that city was. However, I do believe that even in the most debauched areas of San Francisco a man can walk around without fear of being gang raped by homosexuals, whereas that was not the case in Sodom.

    Yes, it is our duty to preach the gospel, but it is a sin to add anything to it. Mr. Camping seems to be preaching a works based gospel these days. Salvation is not based on faith in Christ, but by lack of attending church and taking communion.

  • Time Has an End:
    A Biblical History of the World
    11,013 B.C. – 2011 A.D.

    A book by Harold Camping
    Overview

    The book is written in great detail starting with earth’s creation through to the possible return of Christ and end of the world in 2011 A.D. It is the culmination of decades of intense Bible study—comparing scripture with scripture.

    The following questions are addressed in this book:

    <LI class=MsoNormal style=”MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: #993300; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt”>How important is the Bible?
    <LI class=MsoNormal style=”MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: #993300; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt”>Who wrote the Bible?
    <LI class=MsoNormal style=”MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: #993300; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt”>Can we trust the Bible?
    <LI class=MsoNormal style=”MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: #993300; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt”>Does the Bible really tell us how old the world is?
    <LI class=MsoNormal style=”MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: #993300; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt”>Does the Bible tell us when the world will end?
    <LI class=MsoNormal style=”MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: #993300; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt”>Is it really true that a “Doomsday” is coming?
    <LI class=MsoNormal style=”MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: #993300; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt”>How do the dinosaurs fit into a world that is only about 13,000 years old?
    <LI class=MsoNormal style=”MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: #993300; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt”>How likely is it that the world will end in the year 2011?
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    This book is freely available through Family Radio: http://www.familyradio.com

  • THE END OF THE CHURCH AGE … AND AFTER by Harold Camping
    This book is freely available through Family Radio: http://www.familyradio.com
     Overview

    The book examines these serious questions:

    <LI class=MsoNormal style=”MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: #993300; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt”>Is it true that we are now in the time of the Great Tribulation?
    <LI class=MsoNormal style=”MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: #993300; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt”>Is it true that the age of the institutional church has come to an end?
    <LI class=MsoNormal style=”MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: #993300; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt”>Is it true that God commands the true believers in Christ as their Saviour to immediately depart from their churches?
    <LI class=MsoNormal style=”MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: #993300; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt”>Is it true that God is no longer using churches to evangelize the world?
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    <LI class=MsoNormal style=”MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: #993300; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt”>Is it true that Satan is ruling in every local church throughout the world?
    <LI class=MsoNormal style=”MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; COLOR: #993300; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 36.0pt”>Is it true that the judgment that is now on every local church will transition into the final judgment at the end of the world?
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  • Harold Camping is the modern day Noah, just about everyone thought he was crazy and laughing at him until it really came to pass. All of you, 1994? is the name of the book with a question mark Harold never said IT WILL HAPPEN!. I LISTENED TO HIM EVERY DAY IN THOSE DAYS, SO YOU FALSELY ACCUSE HIM AS CHRIST WAS ACCUSED, THEREFORE FULFILLING THE SCRIPTURE AND REPEATING HISTORY “AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH” AS THE BIBLE SAYS.

  • Harold Camping is the modern day Noah, just about everyone thought he was crazy and laughing at him until it really came to pass. All of you, 1994? is the name of the book with a question mark Harold never said IT WILL HAPPEN!. I LISTENED TO HIM EVERY DAY IN THOSE DAYS, SO YOU FALSELY ACCUSE HIM AS CHRIST WAS ACCUSED, THEREFORE FULFILLING THE SCRIPTURE AND REPEATING HISTORY “AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH” AS THE BIBLE SAYS.

  • dear child-i enjoy listening to harold i worry a bit for him , you see he says the churches are worshipping satan i know people in thier hearts are worshipping jesus just as devoted to knowing the truth as he desires,god searches the heart and yes there will be a time when they learn any errors and make a change because god will lead them into all truth,harold needs to be careful for in saying those are worshipping the devil he’s actually calling jesus satan and that’s blasphemy thats what the pharasees did saying jesus was working by the power of the devil,be careful not to be judge jury and executioner in the lives of others, personal relationship with god is between him and the individual.thank you and god bless

  • dear child-i enjoy listening to harold i worry a bit for him , you see he says the churches are worshipping satan i know people in thier hearts are worshipping jesus just as devoted to knowing the truth as he desires,god searches the heart and yes there will be a time when they learn any errors and make a change because god will lead them into all truth,harold needs to be careful for in saying those are worshipping the devil he’s actually calling jesus satan and that’s blasphemy thats what the pharasees did saying jesus was working by the power of the devil,be careful not to be judge jury and executioner in the lives of others, personal relationship with god is between him and the individual.thank you and god bless

  • The church age is over.  Meaning that Christ the Holy Spirit is no longer in their midst.  The Wheat are separating out  of the churches and gathering outside the churches with Christ, and they are now making up the enternal church.  This is, separating from the corporate manmade denominational stuff.   

    Remaining in the churches are the tares and satan’s ministers (the Judases).  God gives them strong delusions (false teachings)  If one is truly saved God will pull him/er out of the corporate church.

    Christ has come yet not visible, but the effects are seen spiritually as this is when babylon falls twice (the apostate church at the end time)

    Camping uses source dating outside of the bible to make that time line seem to work.  So this leaves his timeline presentation lacking in true scriptural foundation.

    The Holy Spirit tells us to learn like this in 1 Cor. 2:13:  Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.  If this room is not sharing like this, it is like the imaginations of men which God calls evil.
     

    The corporate church is any local church with both wheat and tares, and God is calling out the wheat away from this church.  The eternal true church has only wheat and God is gathering these sheep right now outside of Babylon.  The Bible mandates this at Rev 18-4 “come out of her [Babylon, corporate church] my people [the wheat, the saved].

     

    The word Babylon represents the apostate church at the end-time at the coming of Christ?  Here is about Babylon: In Rev. 18:4  And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 

  • @miller_schloss - Matthew 11:27  All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].

    NONE OF US KNOW JESUS THEN????
    THE FACT IS GOD REVEALED THE DAY TO NOAH(was Noah a man lol), SO WHY IS GOD NOT GOING TO REVEAL THE DAY TO WHO HE WILL???? 
    Deuteronomy 29:29   The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this law. 

    1 Thessalonians 5:4   But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 
    :) :) :)  

  • Why is God not going to reveal the day to whom He will? I don’t know, since He doesn’t really give a reason. He just says that He’s not going to tell us the day. So what if He told Noah when the Flood was coming? It’s a little different, since Noah actually had some prep to do in order to survive the Flood. Nobody needs to get anything together for the end of the world.

    Deuteronomy 29:29 supports the view that God keeps certain things secret for his own purposes, not that we can figure out anything we want to know. The secret things, such as the date of the end of the world, do belong to the Lord. He says that even the Son doesn’t know them, so we can know Jesus without having to know things that even Jesus doesn’t know.

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